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Anonymous Posted on Dec 01, 2012

Reduced braking power depress brake pedal fully

After i change Break Pad without stop SBC system i revived "reduced braking power depress brake pedal fully" and no brake after that some time it happens every 10m and some times i can drive more than 10 KM .

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Hi , what is the solution i have the same issue and i need to solve it as soon as possible.

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sound as if you really do have a problem!
From your description I presume that you are confident in doing your own work?
The quickest way to check your system is to use brake hose clamps to isolate each section of the braking system. I would suggest that you rent or buy a set of the clamps.

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