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Anonymous Posted on Apr 09, 2013

Van stalls intantly- misses bad if I give it gas.. Changed intake gaskets, both o2 sensers, cleaned MAF senser,and changed fuel filter.. Codes read bank 1&2 lean.. Only thing I can think of next is fuel injectors.. Any suggestions?

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Sometimes cleaning the Mass Air Flow sensor isn't enough... I've been going through the same thing with my Crown Vic Police Interceptor.

Bank 1 and 2 together, I would be highly suspicious of the MAF. Before investing big bucks to replace all the fuel injectors, I would buy a new Mass Air Flow Sensor.
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It could be a weak pump. To check, have your fuel pressure checked to see if it is correct for your vehicle. On mpfi, pressure should be around 50 psi-check the requirement for your particular vehicle. Then look to the injectors.

  • Anonymous Apr 09, 2013

    Dont have fuel pressure tester but before I changed filter it had low pressure now with new filter gas shoots out with a lot more pressure. But didn't fix it. Light came on! fixed intake gaskets, light was off instantly for 2 weeks then came on again reading same code now it wont stay
    running unless I make it but chugs n misses bad and dies when I'm off the pedal

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SOURCE: I cant find out what is causing these lean codes on bank 1 &2.

vacuum leek,bad computer or you have a linkage out of adjustment on the throttle body

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  • Posted on Oct 20, 2009

SOURCE: I have to give gas to start if not the car stalls

need to have a fuel pressure test also make sure egr is not open at idle car wont run with egr open at idle

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  • Posted on Dec 09, 2009

SOURCE: runs rich on bank one and lean on bank 2

have it checked for compresion you may have a head gasket problem are any of the plugs green on the tip

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SOURCE: running lean

Have you a leak in the exhaust??even a small leak will cause the lambda value to be out check your exhaust

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  • Posted on Mar 01, 2011

SOURCE: ford f150 2003 po171 always

Code Po171 indicates a lean condition on cylinder bank #1 of the engine. This is the drivers side of the engine. I would suggest replacing both front oxygen sensors as a pair to start. An oxygen sensor has a life span of about 5 years and yours are now 9 years old if they are original. When they get older they are slow to respond to changes in the oxygen content of the exhaust and can trigger a code Po171. If you continue to have the same code set after the replacement of both oxygen sensors then it is time to find out why your engine is running lean. Some of the most common causes are an ignition misfire and a vacuum leak. I have also seen Fords EGR flow sensor (known by Ford as Delta Pressure Feedback sensor) to cause problems like that as well. A good mechanic with a scan tool can usually spot a problem like that in a few minutes.

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Codes indicate; Both sides of the Engine are running lean. Your fuel pressure reading indicates; Fuel pressure is way too low should be about 48 pounds Min to Run correctly!

Check voltages for 13.8-14.5 Volts at the battery while running and about 12 volts+ at the Fuel Pump Fuse, Check for fuel line leaks starting from fuel tank (Most likely won't find any), Next should Replace the fuel filter in this case regardless of what you find (Check for leaks before and after replacement), Next Replace the fuel regulator (Check for Fuel and Vacuum leaks) and finally Replace fuel pump.

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