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Sometimes when I go to turn me headlight switch on my headlights won't come on . I have a 2005 Chrysler Town and country... What could cause that...

Could be caused by a number of thing's , bad switch , BCM - body control module , TIPM - totally integrated power module , wiring issues or ground problem . The way to find what is wrong would be by testing the headlamp electrical circuit's , input's from the headlamp switch to the BCM , seeing if turn on message from the BCM is reaching the TIPM . You would need a factory or professional scanner too check for DTC - diagnostic trouble code's an too view data to modules . Or you could just replace parts an hope you fix it > Your best bet call the dealer an see if your vehicle falls under recall for the TIPM .
Defective TIPM Is Causing Dangerous Power Problems in Chrysler Vehicles
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Jeep JK Horn is not working. It was working but touchy. Dealer changed out the clock spring on recall notice. Now it doesn't work at all

2008, why no post the year.?
fuses checked (tested) fuse 23, 10amp, under hood, !!!!????
did you scan it first to see if there are DTC errors. oh boy lots there are and all very USEFUL.
all else on car work ok, drives ok day or night???????
they want to do mine too. but I wont let them.
i dont park, top down in rain, so, no need,
ok the horn can fail many ways,
id not pick the most hard and most costly first.
ever seen a voltmeter?
on mine its hooked to 3 things, alarm, door locks, and horn button.
so are all 3 dead.????? if yes, id bet it not the button/or clock/spring.
cause an alarm ?
tell the doors, to honk with KEY fob actions. (its programmable)
if that fails. say so.

the horn can fail or its base not grounded.
horns love to fail for base rust. clean it?
hot wire the horn to see if hot honks, cost 0 . (jumper wire)
unplug horn and hot wiring , work?


the horn has no relay on JK its TRANSISTOR driven
from the TIPM. direct drive.
so best is to do an alarm first
why? TIPM gets serial commands off the Can-buss
top HONK
so if the TIPM hears (receives) no command to honk there will be no honking, its on a network now.
so say if you scanned it and had can buss errors to the TIMP
we'd work that first, not horn. SEE

at the dealer they can send a scanner command to the horn
in 1min, work, see it works.

so read the operators guide,
see that page on setting horn options try those.
if all fail , the car must be scanned !

its not wired like 1990 wrangler at all.
i have full docs. so.. ask questions.
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Hazzard lights and power outlets in my jeep liberty 2008 is not working and the fuses are good

Your TIMP - totally integrated power module could be bad , Chrysler , Jeep an dodge all have this part . Google Chrysler,jeep ,dodge TIPM problems Chrysler Pacifica TIPM Electrical Problems
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There are no fuses for my 2011 Jeep Wrangler. no hazard fuses at all .they think that it might have to do with computer in my engine

not true box is under hood now. look there first.
the operator guide tells this...
True SYMPTOMS?
all 4 exterior lamps dead, in HAZ mode but not TURN mode?
is the cluster dead?, or just the haz green icon lamps dead in cluster>. see it blink there?

short answer.
the fuse is invisible and fully electronic on this car.

tell full symptoms, and win.
and scan it.


Long answer: (no fuses? ,well that is not true, in total)
I guess you didn't open the hood, and see all fuses moved there in 2007, in the new TIPM, total integrated power module. there are tons fuse there, , ill review the system and i own one, and full docs on it, and more)

please tell us the symptoms. first,? not a guess first, and search of parts that don't exist.

tell is what works right and what not not , THE WHOLE OF CAR MATTERS. are all pod switches dead?

car runs and drives ok?
at night runs ok with bright head lights??
do the Turn blinkers work?, and wipers, and all other features?
only hazards dead? just that ????

the 2007 Jeeps radically changed on this year.
sorry 2, it's not the pcm bad for engine.

the car has other computers, not just one and they network now.
yes check all fuses first, as some fuses , that may seem unrelated
blown may cause network errors.
the TIPM fuse, and others. The TIPM is a computer as is the switch bank.,

THE FLOW: (end to end)
the haz button on the Pod switch bank, sends a serial signal (data command) to the TIPM , via the CAN-bus network
we must scan the pCm to see those errors. on that bus.
if present.
the pod needs power as does the TIPM needs power
that is why I ask do other things fail , or not.
if the haz button worked, (transmitted ok) the cluster would flash
it listens on the can-bus for the same transmissions.
this allows it to flash the cluster lamp, (independent of TIPM)
so does the dash cluster lamps flash? and click?
If the cluster fails to flash that is because, the network transmitted signal failed.
if does flash, in the custer but not 4 lamps on 4 corner of the car that means the TIPM failed to receive this can-bus transmitted signal. or the TIMP has problems..
If turns work, and not HAZ at this point id suspect bad TIMP
or some very odd CAN-BUS errors
this is why we....
i scan first. to see if there are communication errors
or error from the TIPM.

The haz module can be dead, if Fuse M20, is blown.
why not test all fuses, and avoid having to learn all this????
as seen below,
then M13 if blink fail. (only)
so if blinks are good, Turns
and haz fails ONLY, then fuse m20 is bad.
if not, bad, (including cluster dead for same)
then the TIPM programming is bad, or some strange, communications lost here.

M20 fuse runs the switch bank, that would kill all power on all switches on the switch bank , including HAZ
and M20 runs the cluster ALSO, killing it dead. if m20 blows.
m20 runs the computer in the cluster. (one more computer)

now the TIPM , it has one fuse, and if blown kills a vast array of feature, all from it.
fuse J31, powers the TIPM if this fuses blows the TIPM goes dead. and vast things fail, over more that 25 things, (im not listing them)
That is the reason for no haz fuse. is because there is no has fuse just for HAZ. (but the m20 runs many things,not just HAZ)

the TIPM main power, connects to a highpowered transistor driver
that drives, the 4 lamps. 4 corners of car DIRECTLY.
be that turns or haz, same electronic drivers for 2 features.

using no fuses. this is because the magic drivers have electronic roll back, circuits , effectually acting as electronic fuses,automatically
.same with wipers
The FSM explains all this. (book for car from jeep)
see the red words here,its a quote.

full DC distribution here, all fuses. 2008 JK
http://jeepdied.com/pdf%20and%20more/TIPM/index.html

so what to do.?
1:next time tell if turn sigs work and state that car drives ok at night with head lights on, all other things work.?
2: check all fuses under hood, in the TIPM. (old name PDC)
3: scan PCM. using a modern scan tool, all scanners work.
then report all DTC errors.
easy as 1,2,3. no?

for the features you have opted, are all dead/?
min has ESP, does your ESP work or is it dead too.
when you turn on parking lights, my esp and haz glow.
when push the esp the cluster, shows, skidding car ICON.
does yours.? aka, bank switch, other name for pod.
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full drawning of below is on linked page above. look there.
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05 chrysler 300 Wipers,turnsignals, horn and high beam headlamps don't work after battery replacement any common causes ?

Don't let it throw you because this is a Chrysler Pacifica in this video . a Chrysler is a Chrysler . All the thing's not working on your vehicle are because of one of two thing's , a bad ground or the TIPM - totally integrated power module. So check out this video ! Chrysler Pacifica TIPM Electrical Problems
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I'm getting code po882 on a 2006 pt cruiser

Transmission is in limp mode.

1. Check the control wire to the Totally Integrated Power Module (TIPM). The Powertrain Control Module (PCM) should send power out on the Light Green wire from pin 18 of the C4 connector to the Totally Integrated Power Module (TIPM) at key on. If there is a problem in the relay circuits, solenoid circuits or pressure switch circuits, it will then remove the voltage from the Light Green wire to take power away from the transmission.

2. When the PCM requests the circuit to be energized by the TIPM, the PCM is monitoring the return voltage from the TIPM on pins 19 and 28 of the C4 connector. Tech Tips: The Totally Integrated Power Module (TIPM) is a combination Power Distribution Center and control module, replacing the Integrated Power Module (IPM) and Front Control Module (FCM). It's replaced as an assembly.
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Right reverse light out

a/T or m/t mines a manual 6speed. so... why not say that first.?
new car, its under warranty why ask?
sure not helpless, id find it.too. always have.
check fuse under hood, on huge box there.
fuse box called TIPM
wire fell off the TRS switch (a/t)
i have no 2015 books ,car is too new for books.
i looked in my 08 JK
there is no fuse for backup lamps. (jeep names)
the TIMP has a high power electronic driver that drives this lamp set.
how it works is this.
the body computer see PCM shift comms. live
the driver shifts to Reverse, (a/t or m./t)
the PCM sees this and sends digital serial data to the TIMP
and it drives the lamps.

on the MT car , the MT reverse switch wire s directly to the TIMP.
simpler.
fixya pathetic reductions..... useless.

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How do i fix the horn in my 2010 jeep wrangler sport unlimited? it does not work

the horn button is dead< and the sounds from horn via the antithieft system is dead too? (mine are defeated on fob clicks, by me.,,)

on my car only the driver can honk. horn.



does car run perfect (other shoe drops) Head lights. not dim

cluster battery lamp not showing charge system failure?

first check fuses , the one labeled horn is top choice.

on mine, its fuse m22 and m23

in the underhood.

Totally Integrated Power Module oi TIPM



did you sCAn it after fuse, if the PCM sees errors to the TIPM above

that can in fact make lots of things fail. so Scanning is always #2.

if you see comm errors,. you will not fix this. get it serviced.

or reset every thing and pray.



my wranger has 2 horns, so its near impossible for both to fail .

(actual horn) but there are many submodels of wrangler and was not stated in your post which one, mines an X.body 2 door.





you can do 2 things, to cars, gue$$ or tests. and danger (air bags)

what do you want to do?

you dont need us to guess. right? our guess is as good as dice roll.

use a voltmeter (walfart $10)

touch the black meter lead to base, of horn (this is called ground)

then the other meter red lead to the horn pin.

honk the horn. if its not 12vdc now, then the problem is up stream.

move the black lead to the car body and keep red same.

and bot 12v now? yes, then the horn base is rusting clean it.

fixed now.

ok got 0v, again? its upstream. problem .



the horn systems are now complex , no more just 3 parts.

switch, relay and horn. ,

it now is digitally controlled. , that is correct.

the horn switch is a digital. device. ONLY.

Flow of logic:

the horn switch closes.

the 2 wire close and goes to the dash cluster controller. (brain)

this brain sees the switch closes and sends a CAN-buss network

serial command (called comms) to the TIPM

the TIPM then sends 12vdc to the horns, via fuse 23.

m22 is right

m23 is left horn fuses





on mine the relay can not be changed,

open the TIMP box, mine is hinged to front, dumb idea if ever.

the under that lid are all fuses names and relay names.

the words like like micky mouse wrote them , weak, and blurry.

on mine, there is no horn relay. (must be a high power transistor driver in the TIPM electronics board.



so now lets play dealer or ASE shop. just one example.

he sees all horns dead, full time. all ways from sunday.

he checks fuse m22, m23.

when honking, the horns do not get 12vdc to them.

he hot wires one horn (disonnected) it honks loudly.

ok horn is good.



he then checks with his scan tool that the horn switch is in fact working and sees the CAN-buss sends out the command.

to honk, it does.

but why does it not honk, ?

he then checks TIPM programming to make sure its not scrambled.

it\'s not, so the TIPM is bad.

he pulls battery neg (oops lost nav and radio codes ! read FSM on this)

and then removes the TIPM and puts it back reseating it.

and retests. it fails. (hope and luck can happen)

but it didnt.

the TIPM is bad.





how is that.?
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Why do headlights flicker but not stay on?

both?
and both lows and highs.
if both , then its a bad connection
or bad relay
loose fuse (pray it is , reseat them)
or bad control switch.
or far worse BCM relays bad.
Total Integrated Power Module (TIPM).
with this , the relays can not be changed.
$$$$$$$
get the car tested and diagnosed, if you try to guess, it will cost you big time. TIPM is not cheap.
on my 8
the HL switch is digital it sends a logic zero the BCM
he BCM receives this and send Can-bus command s to the TIPM
it receives this , processes the command and closes the relay
the lamps light
any questions? LOL
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Headlights not staying on while driving 2010 Dodge Grand Caravan. I took to a service center and they suggested replacing the light control module "switch", but have to take to the dealership. Dealership...

This vehicle has what is called a TIPM (totally integrated power module). It is actually the whole underhood fusebox/relay center. It is a module and is where the headlamps recieve the power when the pcm and body control modules recieve signal from the headlamp switch. Very common for these TIPM units to go bad causing this type of problem. TIPM usually costs around $650 new from Chrysler. May be able to find a used one. No programming is needed when replacing this TIPM. I would suggest having it at least diagnosed by a qualified technician before investing in the replacement. Hope this helps.
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