Blower , heater dead.?
use a voltmeter, and find out what is wrong, in minutes.
first check voltage to the blower,
on fan high.
got voltage there. then the blower is bad.
no voltage there, then its not the blower bad. its controls or power feed.
my guess is you dont know that fuses that look good can in fact be bad.?>
old post. but here goes.
of lost, use a schematic, they tell you how the circuit works.
click here
on TJ
then heater........
FSM
http://www.jeep4x4center.com/knowledge-base/index.htm?utm_source=cj#service
shows 7 things can be wrong. (omg what to do, use a meter)
now click A/C heater page.
same FSM.
got 12vdc to both JB fuse 8 and PDC fuse , keyon,
both sides of fuse must be 12vdc or the fuse is BAD.
got 12vdc to blower relay pin 1, (bad relay if not, or?)
if you have 12vdc on pin1 then then check voltage at
blower B wire,
if wires is at 12vdc that means the blower switch is bad.
if the wire to the switch C3 pin C is 12vdc that means the ground to the heater control is open. correct that
if the pin C3pin C is 0v, that is good, if switch is on high
and the C1 pin A is 12v, that means the switch is bad, or wires to it cut
or the connectors to IT are corroded.
just a $10 walfart DMM meter, and bam , why is know.
no guessing or pulling out hair.
as you can see the dash heater switch grounds the blower.
if it can not ground the motor, the motor will be dead.
that is how it works.
SOURCE: fan replacement
My answer:
I answered a similar ? at Yahoo Answers awhile back, and it solved that person's problem on their 1987 Jeep.
Though you weren't very specific as to your 2003 Jeep Grand Cherokee's
problem by just saying the fan motor doesn't work, I'm taking it that
we are talking about the "radiator fan motor" here.
You most likely have a two-fold problem going on with your radiator cooling fan.
Seeings a new fan motor didn't solve the original non-op problem we can
definitely establish that the old fan being bad really wasn't bad at
all and NOT the problem to start with.
As with any 12-volt DC automotive motor (whether for the radiator
cooling fan, windshield wiper motor, interior passenger compartment
cooling/circ fan, etc) a simple disconnected from the car's electrical
system test should have been done 1st to make sure the old fan motor
was really bad. Too late for that now though. I myself would have
seriously doubted that a 6 year old fan motor would have been bad
already.
If you had no recent engine or radiator related mechanical work done to
the Jeep - as of late - then the problem may not even be a bad wiring
harness connection, but you never know.
If all the radiator fan Temp related Sensors & Thermal Switch
connectors are properly seated then we need to look at yet another
possibility having eliminating a wiring connector type problem.
On most radiators with an electric assist fan(s) there is also an
electric Thermo Sense switch (TS) mounted on the radiator itself that
has to be working properly otherwise this fan switch could stick in the
CLOSED position (set point usually 190 degrees F) leaving the fan to
run all the time while the engine is running. Make sure it is connected
as to the wiring connector, as I've seen this connection get pulled
apart from other engine related work being done or else from a
bad connector itself.
If this TS goes bad and someone disconnects it so as to stop the fan
from running all the time - then it may look like the fan itself is bad
when it really isn't.
On the other hand this TS switch could actually stick in the OPEN
position (though this is very rare with this type of Thermal switch),
and then the fan wouldn't run at all, and the engine would probably run
HOTTER then normal as a dead giveaway. If your engine is running HOTTER
then normal I would go directly to this TS and check it for proper
operation. It's usually mounted on the radiator fan bracket nearest the
radiator with a separate 2-wire wiring connector.
If it's working properly - when the ignition is turned off - the fan should still turn off as it is
usually controlled by a timed RELAY circuit as a failsafe. Does it??
Hopefully you don't have any engine cooling problems to start with, but if you do follow the guidelines below:
If the engine thermostat is sticking CLOSED, or indeed stuck CLOSED,
that could also cause the fan to run excessively. Running plain water
in the engine and not proper 50/50 antifreeze/coolant mix can also
cause the engine to run much hotter then normal and thus adds to
running the radiator fan more frequently then normal.
Excessive radiator fan running leads to just one thing,
and that is worn out bearings. Some of these fans aren't made that good
to begin with!
If the fan is indeed 'tired' or has a tendency to try and freeze up
there should be safeguards to prevent wiring from burning up.
Most radiators have 2 thermo-switches (TS), one being an ambient
radiator surface mounted TS, and the other one being an internal
(screwed into) radiator mounted TS. There might even be a 3rd fan TS
that is clipped directly to the fan motor case itself to sense an
over-temp situation like that from the fan bearings freezing and the
fan itself running hotter then normal. Just depends on car maker design.
There is also a TIMER RELAY module incorporated in all CA equipped cars
as part of the SMOG packaging for cars sold here in this state. Reason
for that is to reset the pre-warm circuit properly when restarting the
car back up after shorter run and stop trips. If this relay is bad it
could cause the fan to run on longer then normal after shutting off the
vehicle, thus causing undue wear and tear on the fan motor also. I used
to think it also helped to clear out any fuel fumes from under the hood
after running the engine, but could never prove it or have it verified
by own my minivan maker when I owned a minivan??
NEVER DRIVE THE JEEP WITHOUT THE FAN MOTOR BEING CONNECTED!! You will surely damage something you don't want to!!!
To check the radiator fan circuit do the following:
I would first disconnect the battery from the circuit, and do any
resistive type DVM meter checks first (unless you are unsure of how to
do them), and then do the following checks below to check out the fan
motor and related sensors/switches with power reconnected. If you have
a lot of MEMORY type devices onboard your Jeep (Stereo, GPS, etc) you
might want to use a simple 12-volt TEST LIGHT or again a good DVM to
trace for a good ~12-volt battery voltage at point-to-point connectors
instead, so as not to lose those memory settings.
First check the wiring leading to and from the fan motor itself and
the TS (1
or possibly 2) connectors to make sure they are snapped together fully
and making good connections. Also check the GROUND WIRE coming off the
fan motor connector - as if this ground point is dirty or corroded
causing a bad ground return path then the fan motor will appear to be
dead as well.
Next check the fan itself for free-play. Is it turning freely or is it
very tight or hard to spin?? If so - you have a bad fan and it's time
to replace it NOW! (In your case it doesn't appear to be a bad fad fan motor at all.)
If you are handy with a digital volt meter (DVM) connect it in DC
series with the fan motor and while running the Jeep measure the
current and compare it to a new fan's rating. If it's excessive then
the fan motor is on it's way out. Time to replace. (Skip this part too, as your fan is known good.)
VERY IMPORTANT STEP HERE - Also check those 1 or 2 TS switches to
make sure they are in the OPEN setting with a COLD engine/radiator.
CHECK AGAIN to make sure they CLOSE at the proper engine temp as well.
If they don't close at or near 190 degrees F then one or the other (if
there are 2 or more in your system) may be bad, and that may very well
be your only problem.
If Jeep has added a FUSE or FUSIBLE LINK to the fan circuit make sure
you check that part also. It's doubtful though, as the fan circuit is
fairly simple by design. A Timer Relay type Switch would be downstream
of the/any TS switch(es) by design as well, so I would place my money
1st on a bad TS switch, or a possible bad ground connection 2nd.
Does not appear to be anything else that excessive as it looks to just be isolated to the radiator fan circuit itself.
Hope this helps you out to troubleshoot the problem. Feel free to email me if you still have further ??'s.
Frank
SOURCE: 01 grand cherokee fan relay/oil pressure
I don't know if this will help anyone, but i had a issue with my jeep running hot and check engine light coming on as well. After alot of trips to different shops - the last one found that there were two senors in the engine for the fan that need to be changed. Everyone would aways fine the one up top but not the second one. After that, have not had any other problems like it since.
SOURCE: 1995 Jeep Cherokee AC blower doesn't work.
do you have feed to blower motor ?? sorry CSI is coming on TV now and er indoors is screaming that i spent too long on here '¡'¡'¡'¡'¡ usual ----typical woman ,if you have her i will throw my jag in the deal for free
SOURCE: blower motor does not work
I had the same problem, replace, replace, replace. Check, check and recheck. What I found was the blower motor resistor, located in the blower squirrel cage area, two prongs and a curly wire, was bad. Took the new one back, (it ohmed out okay, continuity ok, all ok!) replaced it with another, and Bingo, problem solved. Frustrating to say the least. After two relays and a blower switch, and test, test and retest. It was a faulty resistor. Made in Mexico. And no guarentee, even though new, it works. Trial and error. Even the dealer parts are Honcho en Mexico. Thanks NAFTA. You gonna make us all welfare babies.
SOURCE: The blower motor on my 2000 Jeep tj sport only
YES THE BLOWER MOTOR SPEED CONTROL SWITCH IS DEFECTIVE, THIS IS THE KNOB YOU TURN TO CONTROL SPEED
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