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Why does my 2004 pontiac boneville start up then shut off again within a few seconds?

I've replaced the map sensor,pcv valve,icm,iac,and the cam sensor. still i start the car p and it will stay running for only a few seconds.also the fuel pump is showing 55lbs of pressure,and not leaking off.Help i'm going crazy!

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  • walt wallace Apr 12, 2016

    there are no codes that came up Bill.in fact i started the car tonight and it ran alittle longer.then shut off after about 10 min.also i could hear the fuel pump whinning pretty good?

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Most people who do not do the first step generally go crazy chasing the problem
the first step is to have the fault codes read as they are there as a diagnostic tool to stop people from going crazy

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Testimonial: "there were no codes that came up Bill.in fact i started the car tonight and it ran alittle longer then shut off after 10 mins.but i could hear the fuel pump whinning pretty good.would it be getting hot then failing?"

  • Bill Boyd Apr 12, 2016

    try replacing the ecm with a known good unit
    it is possible that there is an electronic part failing from excessive heat either in the ECM or the ignition control module/coil
    I am suggesting that because whenever a sensor goes out of parameters it leaves a report in the ECM and not to have a report of any description suggests a problem in the ECM

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