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I have tried to turn the camshaft on a 2004 Suzuki Forenza to the timing mark but it would not line up it would not turn anymore what should I do

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  • Posted on Aug 30, 2016
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I guess,:
1; didnt read the suzuki fsm book on how, so guessed,
or builds engines on internet rumor, omg, really? its a new world.
2: its and interference engine, the 2.0L in USA is , are you in usa, is this the J20b engine. the b , has VVT too. on newer suzuki's
and not to be ignored or guessed at.
you just jammed a piston into the valves.
if you crank it, with starter, boom wrecked engine.
the book told you not to do that. so why did you.
can i guess the chain did not explode or break? \
if no, break, or TRAFFIC jam there (ugly mess) then.

the book says, step one, battery cable neg lug off,
so girl friend dont crank it and bend all the valve, yah.
then set crank to TDC mark, #1 firing, not 4. do that next.
this prevents you doing what you say.

my guess is the question now mutates how to cure my horrible blunder.
not sure.
I'd first fill a towel with tears then get wife to console me.
then try to think how to undo the error not pulling the head.
the answer is clear, you most move the cams gently, I hope they have a chain first and are timed first. so track right. then move the crank a bit cw, to TDC, bit by bit as you gently move cam in the direction that does not jam..
that will be at the CAM TDC marks, the trick is to move both
to get the marks correct, and not hit the valve lip poppet edges.
Next time, why not ask how to do it first.\
or better log in to mitchells and read the chain page.
every step every word is there. and the warnings.-

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    IT WILL HIT< all do. all J20s hit.
    welcome to DOHC land, the land of hitting.
    never do a DOHC unless you lean how first.
    I promise !

    only a few are non interference, mazda 1.8L is one. I see on Isuzu v6. too.
    the reason is simple,(non turbo)!'

    to get max power takes, 2 cams and 16 valves.
    Makes it suck air MAX
    4banger. so after all that, work, and cost\
    the engineer chose aggressive valve timing.
    and valve overlap that compliments the above.
    see? why not go for max max air..... see?
    the pistons chase the exhaust valve closed very very very close. this makes huge power. but tedious cam timing.
    This is what its all about in DOHC land.
    if turbo, we dont need max air, we force it.

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    IN the usa it has a belt drive.

    https://www.suzukicarparts.com/parts/200...

    but that dont matter at all , the drive.
    the hitting matters, on both engines.\
    \I had the chain J20a, in a GV.\

  • Anonymous Aug 30, 2016

    the Forenza is a hacked up,
    Daewoo Lacetti
    rebadged to Forenza in usa, it has this.

    The US model line features the 2.0-liter four-cylinder D-TEC made by General Motors, developing a maximum power of 132 hp (98 kW) at 5600 rpm.

    THE D-TEC is interfence just like real suzuki J engines are. only cheaper belt drive.rubber band engines..

  • Anonymous Sep 02, 2016

    posted now over 300 times this link
    it's the OFFICIAL SUZUKI online FSM book.
    and is only $4 to read, (dirt cheap)

    why not , pray tell, read the official books
    not guess, or read any rags like haynes or rumors.

    usa only cars, and matching books

    https://suzukipitstopplus.com/Category/3...

    there it is for 301st time.
    next time post the liter size of engine.
    and if single or twin cams.
    they have 5 engine choices.
    most of ours is the 2.0L gm engine.

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Not knowing how far your cam timing is off, your valves may be hitting the top one of a pistons. That may be why cam wont turn anymore.
May be best to back up the cam a bit, remove the spark plugs & with screw driver or wooden dowel probe the cylinders to see which piston is near the top.
Then rotate crank a bit to lower piston down the cylinders DO NOT USE STARTER to rotate engine while timing belt is off or valve damage may occur.

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  • Anonymous Aug 30, 2016

    the wood dowl trick is savvy.
    but plugs out is SOP
    why fight the compression, ?
    it dont matter, he must move the cam to a place it dont hit.

  • Anonymous Aug 31, 2016

    if he read the manual, he skipped step 1
    and the book does not tell you how to correct the error of skipping step 1,
    1: battery neg lug off.
    2: engine at TDC on crank,, #1 firing. not #4
    if you dont understand these simple steps
    seek help. live living help works best.
    #1 firing is, all valves, #1 closed and note that #4 see them open 1 or more)
    that be step 1.

    baring that, the cure is very carefully
    do that, by moving the cam and the crank gently. to get there.
    not hitting.
    no person on earth can guess where your cam landed, with you last keyed off.
    nobody, can.
    thus the reason for STEP 1. on TDC.
    all OHC engines, same deal.... all.

  • Anonymous Sep 02, 2016

    next time RTM , read the manual then leap.
    or ask. what to do before the leap.
    step one (nor 2)is not to be skipped and you did.

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  • Posted on Feb 21, 2010

SOURCE: I WANT TO KNOW THE TIMING MARKS FOR SUZUKI FORENZA

just mark the pulleys with tip-ex ,same thing and youd be finished in half the time

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SOURCE: isuzu trooper 2002 RLV engine. camshaft timing

Sorry for the severe delay.
I am personally going back to answer your unanswered question.
I do not know if you still need the answer, but I am going to answer it in case you still do.

Click on the following direct Link. It has the Timing Belt Diagrams and Photos with Marks for the Camshaft and Crankshaft that you will need. It also has numerous other helpful diagrams, instructions and photo's for use.

Again my apologies...
Let me know if this helped, or if you have additional information or questions. Feel Free to contact me at FixYa.com!


http://www.2carpros.com/car_repair_information/year/2002/make/isuzu/model/trooper/2002_isuzu_trooper_timing_belt_diagram_marks.htm

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SOURCE: I would like a diagram

from autozone.com


Removal & Installation

  1. Before servicing the vehicle, refer to the Precautions Section.
  2. Disconnect the negative battery cable.
  3. Disconnect the Manifold Air Temperature (MAT) sensor connector.
  4. Disconnect the air cleaner outlet hose from the throttle body.
  5. Disconnect the breather tube from the camshaft cover.
  6. Remove the air cleaner housing bolts.
  7. Remove the air cleaner housing.
  8. Remove the right front wheel.
  9. Remove the right front wheel well splash shield.
  10. Remove the serpentine drive belt.
  11. Remove the crankshaft pulley bolts and the crankshaft pulley.
  12. Remove the right engine mount bracket.
  13. Remove the front timing belt cover bolts.
  14. Remove the front timing belt cover.
  15. Using the crankshaft gear bolt, rotate the crankshaft clockwise until the timing mark on the crankshaft gear is aligned with the notch at the bottom of the rear timing belt cover.

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Fig. Aligning the timing mark on the crankshaft gear with the notch at the bottom of the rear timing belt cover.


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  1. Fig. Aligning the camshaft gears with the notches on the camshaft cover.
  2. Align the camshaft gears with the notch on the camshaft cover.
  3. Remove the timing belt.
  4. Loosen the automatic tensioner bolt. Turn the hex-key tab to relieve belt tension.

To install:
  1. Align the timing mark on the crankshaft gear with the notch on the bottom of the rear timing belt cover.
  2. Align the timing marks on the camshaft gears, using the intake gear mark for the intake gear and the exhaust gear mark for the exhaust gear.
  3. Install the timing belt.
  4. Turn the hex-key tab in a clockwise direction to tension the belt. Turn until the pointer aligns with the notch.
  5. Install the automatic tensioner bolt and tighten to 18 ft. lbs. (25 Nm).
  6. Rotate the crankshaft two full turns clockwise using the crankshaft pulley bolt.
  7. Recheck the automatic tensioner pointer.
  8. Install the front timing belt cover.
  9. Install the front timing belt cover bolts and tighten to 53 inch lbs. (6 Nm).
  10. Install the right engine mount bracket.
  11. Install the crankshaft pulley and tighten the crankshaft pulley bolts to 15 ft. lbs. (20 Nm).
  12. Install the serpentine drive belt.
  13. Install the right front wheel well splash shield.
  14. Install the right front wheel.
  15. Install the air cleaner housing.
  16. Install the air cleaner housing bolts and tighten to 89 inch lbs. (10 Nm).
  17. Connect the air cleaner outlet hose to the throttle body.
  18. Connect the breather tube to the camshaft cover.
  19. Connect the MAT sensor connector.
  20. Connect the negative battery cable.

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Camshaft on a 2004 Suzuki Forenza will not turn anymore can not lining up with the timing marks how can I turn it to make it lines up with the timing mark

Not knowing how far your cam timing is off, your valves may be hitting the top one of a pistons. That may be why cam wont turn anymore.
May be best to back up the cam a bit, remove the spark plugs & with screw driver or wooden dowel probe the cylinders to see which piston is near the top.
Then rotate crank a bit to lower piston down the cylinders DO NOT USE STARTER to rotate engine while timing belt is off or valve damage may occur.
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Timing procedure for 2005 suzuki forenza

what engine, most cars have many choices new.. what is yours.
"Displacement or VIN"
cam
or
spark?
btw its really a Daewoo Lacetti from S.Korea makers.
by a real FSM.
or got to alldata.com and read

here is the list of engines
1.4 L 93 bhp (69 kW) Petrol I4
1.6 L 109 bhp (81 kW) Petrol I4
1.8 L 120 bhp (89 kW) Petrol I4
2.0 L 132 bhp (98 kW) Petrol I4
2.0 L 121 bhp (90 kW) Petrol I4
2.0 L 121 bhp (90 kW) Diesel I4

before working on any car, engines. in the USA (where you?)
open hood, look up see that vacuum and smog tag there
and it tells you what engine you have,
than ask questions based on that.

the USA forenza uses the
The US model line features the 2.0 L 4-cylinder E-TEC II made by General Motors, developing a maximum power of 132 horsepower at 5600 rpm.

this is a DOHC engine, 2 cams
and a belt (rubber band engine)
cam timng, im not repeating the 38 steps in the manual or torques/
but the crank cog mark is down aligned with the bottom pan mark
the cams are both at 12pm, aligned with markes on back top pan.

install (cut and past just first 8 steps) 2.0L E-tec II only)
  1. align the timing mark on the crankshaft gear with the notch on the bottom of the rear timing belt cover.
  2. Align the timing marks on the camshaft gears, using the intake gear mark for the intake gear and the exhaust gear mark for the exhaust gear.
  3. Install the timing belt.
  4. Turn the hex-key tab in a clockwise direction to tension the belt. Turn until the pointer aligns with the notch.
  5. Install the automatic tensioner bolt and tighten to 18 ft. lbs. (25 Nm).
  6. Rotate the crankshaft two full turns clockwise using the crankshaft pulley bolt.
  7. Recheck the automatic tensioner pointer.
  8. Install the front timing belt cover.




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I replaced the timing belt on a 05 suzuki forenza and not i cannot figure out which mark to use on the exhaust cam pulley

  • Hear are the timing marks fora a 2005 Suzuki Forenza 2.0

  • Crankshaft gear to the bottom of the rear timing belt cover ----


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  • Camshaft gear to Camshaft cover ---

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I would like a diagram of the 2004 Suzuki forenza timing marks and how to get the belt aroujd the crankshaft is there a way you can give me that information?

from autozone.com


Removal & Installation

  1. Before servicing the vehicle, refer to the Precautions Section.
  2. Disconnect the negative battery cable.
  3. Disconnect the Manifold Air Temperature (MAT) sensor connector.
  4. Disconnect the air cleaner outlet hose from the throttle body.
  5. Disconnect the breather tube from the camshaft cover.
  6. Remove the air cleaner housing bolts.
  7. Remove the air cleaner housing.
  8. Remove the right front wheel.
  9. Remove the right front wheel well splash shield.
  10. Remove the serpentine drive belt.
  11. Remove the crankshaft pulley bolts and the crankshaft pulley.
  12. Remove the right engine mount bracket.
  13. Remove the front timing belt cover bolts.
  14. Remove the front timing belt cover.
  15. Using the crankshaft gear bolt, rotate the crankshaft clockwise until the timing mark on the crankshaft gear is aligned with the notch at the bottom of the rear timing belt cover.

56340db.gif

Fig. Aligning the timing mark on the crankshaft gear with the notch at the bottom of the rear timing belt cover.


7c6bcda.gif

  1. Fig. Aligning the camshaft gears with the notches on the camshaft cover.
  2. Align the camshaft gears with the notch on the camshaft cover.
  3. Remove the timing belt.
  4. Loosen the automatic tensioner bolt. Turn the hex-key tab to relieve belt tension.

To install:
  1. Align the timing mark on the crankshaft gear with the notch on the bottom of the rear timing belt cover.
  2. Align the timing marks on the camshaft gears, using the intake gear mark for the intake gear and the exhaust gear mark for the exhaust gear.
  3. Install the timing belt.
  4. Turn the hex-key tab in a clockwise direction to tension the belt. Turn until the pointer aligns with the notch.
  5. Install the automatic tensioner bolt and tighten to 18 ft. lbs. (25 Nm).
  6. Rotate the crankshaft two full turns clockwise using the crankshaft pulley bolt.
  7. Recheck the automatic tensioner pointer.
  8. Install the front timing belt cover.
  9. Install the front timing belt cover bolts and tighten to 53 inch lbs. (6 Nm).
  10. Install the right engine mount bracket.
  11. Install the crankshaft pulley and tighten the crankshaft pulley bolts to 15 ft. lbs. (20 Nm).
  12. Install the serpentine drive belt.
  13. Install the right front wheel well splash shield.
  14. Install the right front wheel.
  15. Install the air cleaner housing.
  16. Install the air cleaner housing bolts and tighten to 89 inch lbs. (10 Nm).
  17. Connect the air cleaner outlet hose to the throttle body.
  18. Connect the breather tube to the camshaft cover.
  19. Connect the MAT sensor connector.
  20. Connect the negative battery cable.
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