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Where is the Theft deterrent module located on a 1997 Bonneville?

I have determined that the module is bad and bought a replacement, but I cannot find the module in the car. A picture or graphic of the location would be helpful.

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How did you determine that ? Have a factory scan tool an check data parameters ? Do electrical testing ? If you don't know where it is how could possiably test it . The most common problems with this anti-theft system is that the wires coming from the ignition switch break . There are contacts inside the ignition cylinder that read the resistance of the pellet on the key . If you look under the dash on or around the steering column ,find wiring for the ignition lock cylinder . Should have two white wires inside a yellow or orange sheathing . Check resistance of the pellet on the key ! Stick the key in the ignition ,now check resistance at the wires . If read no resistance , a wire is open . You can buy a resistor of same value an solder into the harness . Not the ignition cylinder side .

Testimonial: "I read the resistance of the key and put a bypass resistor in its place. Security light still on and car wouldn't start. Next day it did start and security light was off. Two days later no start."

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    Jeff Gascon Mar 01, 2017

    "I read the resistance of the key and put a bypass resistor in its place. Security light still on and car wouldn't start. Next day it did start and security light was off. Two days later no start."

  • Jeff Armer Mar 01, 2017

    Two days later no start." was the security light on again ?

  • Jeff Armer Mar 01, 2017

    Pass-Key II® Theft Deterrent Module
    Under the right side of the IP, near the rear of the IP compartment
    https://www.2carpros.com/questions/1997-...

  • Jeff Gascon
    Jeff Gascon Mar 01, 2017

    Yes security light on. I cannot see the module behind the dash . What has to come out to see the module?I pulled the glove box out. It has a passenger side air bag. Does that have to come out? Today it started with no light.

  • Jeff Armer Mar 02, 2017

    Try behind the right side kick panel too .

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Vehicle Theft Deterrent (VTD) Description and Operation
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You need to have it checked for trouble codes .
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Battery voltage from the underhood fuse block PCM/BATT fuse, circuit 240 (ORN).


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Ignition start voltage from the ignition switch, circuit 1390 (WHT).


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Ground, circuit 450 (BLK).
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Powertrain Control Module (PCM) The PCM verifies that the passwords received from the theft deterrent module via the class 2 serial data line are valid. If a password is invalid the PCM disables the fuel delivery system. If the password is valid the PCM enables the fuel delivery system.
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Does the SECURITY light on the instrument cluster flash or is it on steady ? The problem with this system is the contacts inside the key lock cylinder wear causing this problem ! It's not the module more then likely ! This system you can do a by-pass on ! Measure the resistance of the pellet on the key , go to radio shack buy resistors to = the key pellet resistance . Find the wires from the ignition lock cylinder under the dash , disconnect the connector from the dash wiring harness an solder the resistors into the dash wiring , not to the lock cylinder . There are videos on youtube showing how to do this by-pass .
When a key is inserted in the ignition, contacts that are located in the steering column (ignition) lock cylinder contact a resistor pellet located in the ignition key. The theft deterrent module measures the resistance of the key pellet. The module compares this value to a value stored in memory. The theft deterrent module then performs one of the following functions:
• If the values match, the theft deterrent module performs the following system enable functions:
• The module provides a ground for the theft deterrent relay at terminal A4 (CKT 625, YEL/BLK). The ground enables the starter to operate.
• The module sends a proper pulse width modulated (PWM) signal to the PCM. The signal travels via CKT 229 (DK BLU), terminal A3. When the PCM receives this input, it enables the fuel delivery system.
• If the values do not match, the theft deterrent module performs the following system disable functions for approximately three minutes:
• No ground is provided to the theft deterrent relay. The starter is disabled.
• No command is given to the PCM in order to enable the fuel delivery system.

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There are several computer modules involved in your antitheft and security system.
There is the Driver's door module, the right front door module, the right rear door module, the left rear door module, the dash integration unit, the rear integration unit, the instrument panel cluster, the theft deterrent module, the theft deterrent exciter module, the body control module and the powertrain control module. These are all networked together to form the perimeter security and anti-theft system.

Any problems you may be having with this system should be properly diagnosed. Diagnosis of this system must BEGIN with a complete scan of the onboard computer network so that fault codes can be retrieved. and the computer data checked and verified. This is the only way to correctly determine which part of the system is malfunctioning.

Wiring schematics are not designed to give you the location of these components. They only show the wiring connections that are made between them.

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your vehicle is equipped with Personal Automotive Security System (PASS-Key II(R)).
This security system is designed to prevent vehicle theft by disabling fuel system and starter unless an ignition key with a specific electrical resistance is used in the ignition key lock cylinder. PASS-Key II(R) system operates using sensing contacts, which are located in the ignition key lock cylinder. These contact a resistor pellet located in the ignition key. When lock is rotated, battery voltage is applied through appropriate fuse and resistor pellet to theft deterrent module (except Century), or body control module (Century). Pellet resistance is then compared with programmed value in the theft deterrent module or Body Control Module (BCM).
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It will reset itself after about 10 minutes. You just have to wait until you hear a click and the pass key light goes off.
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Security light comes on intermintently then car will not start for ten minutes it will do this quite often for awhile then will quit for a long time any ideas that don't cost more than the car is worth?

I have a Technical Service Bulletin. I'll even hand copy it from my program.

TECHNICAL

Engine stalls, Security Lamp illuminated, DTCs (Replace Theft Deterrent Control Module)

Models:
2000-2003 Pontiac Grand Prix built prior to Vin Breakpoint 3F115058

Condition

Some customers may comment that the vehicle starts then stalls and the security lamp is illuminated. These symptoms may be intermittent and after several attempts, the vehicle may stay running.

Cause

The condition may be caused by either a chafed wire in the theft deterrent module wiring harness or an electrical interference within the theft deterrent module not allowing the fuel enable signal to be detected.

Correction

Replace the theft deterrent module with Part No. 10335045 and reroute the module wiring harness to a new location using the procedure listed below.

1 Reroute the module harness on the outside of the steering column channel and tie strap the lower portion to the larger ignition bundle.

2. Replace the tie strap removed from the tilt head during disassembly. Secure the new strap in the hole in the tilt mechanism and around the module wire and ignition SIR wires, but below the tie strap located on the sir wires.


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