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DRIVERS WINDOW DOWN;IT HAS POWER TO MOTOR GOING DOWN; WILL NOT GO UP UNLESS WIRES ARE REVERSED; FOUND RELAY IN BOX UNDER REAR SEAT,RELAY FOR DOWN CONETANTLY ENGAGED.UNLESS SWITCH IS REMOVED;SWAPED SWITCH ,SAME PROBLEM

  • hillbillygof Oct 06, 2009

    I COULD NOT FIND ANY STOP SWITCHES ANYWHERE IN THE DOOR.IF ITS THERE I CANT FIND IT.THIS IS A 92 400E. I FOUND A BROKEN GUIDE, BUT THERE IS NOTHING IT COULD COME IN CONTACT WITH (I.E. SWITCH ETC.)I CANNOT FIND ANYONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THE BOX UNDER THE REAR SEAT IS CALLED,THE ONE WITH ALL THE RELAYS IN IT.

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You will most likely find that the widow regulator is faulty and needs replacing or the limit switch inside the door is faulty and will need to be replaced. I had the same problem on a 1993 500SEL on 2 rear windows but 2 new regulators and drilling out the limit switch rivets and replacing them with new switches sorted out the problem

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Check for broken wires inside the rubber boot from body to doors.
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Where is the power window relay located in a 2002 mercury villager?

Principles of Operation
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Visual Inspection Chart Mechanical Electrical
  • Improperly aligned window
  • Damaged window mounting
  • Window frame interference
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    • F30 (10A)
    • F32 (20A)
    • F34 (20A)
    • F59 (7.5A)
  • Battery junction box (BJB) Fuses:
    • F20 (30A)
    • F27 (45A)
  • Switches
  • Circuits
  • Connectors
  • Heated back light
  • Relays
Which window is not working ?
  • Single power window is inoperative
  • Front door power window switch.
  • Front door power window regulator.
  • Circuit.
  • Driver door power window switch.
  • GO to Pinpoint Test B .
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Window fuse's and relay's may be up under driver or passenger side dash or behind glove box, under the hood and even under the seats, and finally on the ends of the dash. All passenger power windows and locks are controlled thru and get power from the master control switch on the drivers door.

Drivers door window gets used the most so it could be the motor, window switch, relay or fuse.
Could also be a broken wire in the rubber boot going from the door to the body. You will have to eliminate each till you find the culprit. Check that all switches return to neutral when released.
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Thats a pretty cool trick!!! Try this:

Window fuse's and relay's may be up under driver or passenger side dash or behind glove box, under the hood and even under the seats, and finally on the ends of the dash. All passenger power windows and locks are controlled thru and get power from the master control switch on the drivers door.

Drivers door window gets used the most so it could be the motor, window switch, relay or fuse.
Could also be a broken wire in the rubber boot going from the door to the body. You will have to eliminate each till you find the culprit. Check that all switches return to neutral when released.
The motor and the relay are the most likely to cause this problem. Try swapping the relay with a working window relay. If it still doesn't work, remove the door panel and remove the window motor.
Turn the motor shaft in both directions by hand several turns. Then plug the motor in and see if the switch will now run the motor. Sometimes that's all it takes to get it working again. I have had to do this with brand new motors. If voltage is not present at the motor connector, either a bad switch or a broken wire exists. Make sure to check for voltage coming to that windows switch. Actually, GM use's a circuit breaker type relay for each window and one fuse for all the circuit breakers.

Try this....
Open the door, turn the key to the ON position without starting the engine and everything that makes noise is off. Lean down placing your ears close to the bottom center of the door or at the speaker grill. Press the window switch UP and DOWN. Listen for the window motor. If heard the drive is damaged. If not heard, turn key off and locate and replace the relay with one of the other window relays. Check window again. If it works now, get a new relay. More often than not, removing the motor and turning it by hand will get it working good as new. I have had to do that with Brand New motors! So try it.
If all has failed, with the door panel still off, check for voltage at the motor connector when pushing the window switch. No voltage means its the switch, especially if its a auto down or up switch.

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Drivers door window switch gets used the most so it could be the motor, window switch, relay or fuse.
Could also be a broken wire in the rubber boot going from the door to the body. You will have to eliminate each till you find the culprit.
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There are two fuse boxes. A baqttery junction box under the hood on the drivers side and one inside on drivers side. Good luck.


Fuse/Relay

Location

Fuse Amp

Rating

Power Distribution Box

Description

1 60A** I/P Fuse Panel

2 40A** Blower Motor Relay

3 50A** 4 Wheel Anti-Lock Brake System

(4WABS) Module

4 30A** Power Windows, Power Moon

Roof, Power Seat

5 50A** Ignition Switch, Starter Relay

6 20A** Transfer Case Relay

7 - Not Used

8 20A** Air Suspension

9 40A** Air Suspension

10 30A** PCM Power Relay

1 10A* A/C Relay

2 30A* Heated Seats

3 30A* Heated Backlight

4 15A* Fog Lamps and Daytime Running

Lamps

5 4 3 2 1

10 9 8 7 6

12 11 10 9

8 7 6 5

4 3 2 1

15 14 13

2 1 1

9

6

10

8

7

5

4

1

3 2

175

MEGAFUSE

Roadside emergencies

197

Fuse/Relay

Location

Fuse Amp

Rating

Power Distribution Box

Description

5 - Not Used

6 10A* Powertrain Control Module

7 30A* 4 Wheel Anti-Lock System

(4WABS) Module

8 15A* Rear Wiper Motor

9 20A* Fuel Pump Relay and RAP

Module

10 15A* Horn Relay

11 15A* Parklamps Relay and Mainlight

Switch

12 30A* Mainlight Switch and

Multifunction Switch

13 15A* Heated Oxygen Sensor, EGR

Vacuum Regulator, EVR Solenoid,

Camshaft Position (CMP) Sensor,

Canister Vent Solenoid

14 30A* Generator/Voltage Regulator

15 - Not Used

1 - Wiper Park Relay

2 - A/C Relay

3 - Wiper High/Low Relay

4 - PCM Power Relay

5 - Fuel Pump Relay

6 - Starter Relay

7 - Horn Relay

8 - Rear Wipe Down Relay

9 - Blower Motor Relay

10 - Rear Wipe Up Relay

1 - Not Used

1 - DRL Diode
2 - Electronic Engine Controls Diode

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Rear side windows

This may be just a case of inadvertently hitting the window lock out n th driver door window switch by mistake. Check that first. Here's some background on window operation

Principles of Operation
The driver power window regulator motor is controlled directly by the master window/door lock/unlock switch (and its integrated "auto down" module). Power is supplied to the power window relay and the master window/door lock/unlock switch, and the passenger power window switch when the SEC/timer module grounds the coil side of the power window relay. The SEC/timer module will ground this relay when the ignition is in the ON position and will remain energized for approximately 15 minutes or until the driver or passenger door is opened.
The driver power window regulator motor is a reversible motor that is operated by applying power and ground to the motor leads to lower the window, and then reversing polarity on those leads to raise the window.
The passenger power window regulator motor is controlled directly by the passenger power window switch and can also be controlled by the master window/door lock/unlock switch. Power is supplied to the power window relay and the master window/door lock/unlock switch, and the passenger power window switch when the SEC/timer module grounds the coil side of the power window relay. The SEC/timer module will ground this relay when the ignition is in the ON position and will remain energized for approximately 15 minutes or until the driver or passenger door is opened.
The passenger power window regulator motor is a reversible motor, which is operated by applying power and ground to the motor leads to lower the window, and then reversing polarity on those leads to raise the window.
The power rear quarter glass is also directly controlled by the master window/door lock/unlock switch. The power rear quarter glass power latches also utilize reversible motors. The power rear quarter glass power latches are operated by applying power and ground to the motor leads to open the window, and then reversing polarity on those same leads to close the window.
Symptom Chart Condition Possible Sources Action
  • All windows are inoperative
  • BJB Fuse:
    • F20.
  • Circuit.
  • Power window relay.
  • Front door power window switch.
  • GO to Pinpoint Test A .
  • Single power window is inoperative
  • Front door power window switch.
  • Front door power window regulator.
  • Circuit.
  • Driver door power window switch.
  • GO to Pinpoint Test B .
  • Vent power window is inoperative — quarter window glass power latch
  • Circuit.
  • Quarter window glass switch.
  • Quarter window glass power latch.
  • GO to Pinpoint Test C .
  • The one touch down feature is inoperative
  • Master window regulator and door lock switch.
  • INSTALL a new master window/door lock/unlock switch. REFER to Switch—Master Window Door Lock/Unlock .
  • The back window will not defrost
  • CJB Fuses:
    • F30 (10A).
    • F32 (20A).
    • F34 (20A).
  • BJB Fuse:
    • F27 (45A)
  • Circuit.
  • Heated back window switch.
  • SEC/timer module.
  • Rear window defrost relay.
  • GO to Pinpoint Test D .
  • The back window defrost will not shut off automatically
  • SEC/timer module.
  • Circuit.
  • Rear window defrost relay.
  • GO to Pinpoint Test E .

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