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My son's 1997 Baleno GXL 16B idle is ok when cold but when hot idles at 2000 then backs to 1500 to 1000 and back to 1500 then 1000 ??

Had stale fuel in the tank for 3 years then filled with 98 octane and fuel filter has been changed

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This is a USA form and we dont have Balenos,
but do have lots of G16b (16valves)
that is called hot idle speed hut, its a software bug, in the ECU.
this same bug cost toyota 2bill bucks in fines. but not suzuki nobody cares. on them.
a barn find car, done many, too many.
That sure can be many things but in order its clear.
THE ISC is failing , in fact its doing the hunting, if you unplug its 2wires, it stops hunting.
the cause is really air leaks, the ECU is programmed to hold hot idle at 800, rpm , if it cant. it ILLEGALLY hunts it.
a lreal car, would just send the valve closed command over and over and not hunt it, as hunting can kill, drivers with bad skills.
First car i saw this on was a 91, Vitrara, Sidekick. G16a.
then a 96 G16b,
you have a vacuum leak.
that is the cause.
and I bet lots more ... for sure, last one like that I did had 15 majors.

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