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Can i use the pre out straight into a line in on a powered mixer

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You should be able to SAFELY IF both the mixer and the Fender are powered from the same receptacle or power conditioning module. Keep the cable short <10 feet OR convert to balanced lines for long runs and then of course run power alongside the run so the units are powered from the same receptacle.

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