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Superheat Problem I had an aircondition installed yesterday by a technician and today I did some measurements and found something that I do not understand. The system is using R407C refrigerant and is 18000 BTU. I found the following: Suction Pressure (70 psig) Suction Line Temperature (93 degrees Fahrenheit) Evaporator Temperature (43 degrees Fahrenheit) Outdoor Temperature (100 degrees Fahrenheit) Does the above mean that i have Superheat 50 degrees? Is this normal?

  • elcostis Aug 15, 2009

    I measured the suction temperature on the big line (suction line) and found 70 psig pressure. Then using the PT Chart I found the the temperature and then used an infrared thermometer to measure the suction line. I only have one service port on the low side.

  • elcostis Aug 16, 2009

    Is there an accurate way to get suction line temperature?

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Superheat is the dif. between suction temp on the gauge and temp on the suction line. Make sure you are measuring the right line/ Normal superheat is between 10 to 14 degrees depending on line length. Russ

  • Anonymous Aug 16, 2009

    Infrafred guns do not for some reason give a good measure of temp on copper. Russ

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